Re: [opensuse-wiki] Why is this acceptable?

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On 2017-01-03 18:39, Christian Boltz wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2017, 16:40:14 CET schrieb Carlos E. R.:


>>> Can you describe what "a bit cumbersome" is? You can fix only
>>> issues, if you know the problem.
>>
>> No, there is no way to repair that, it is by design of a "wiki"
>> system. For instance, it is not WYSIWYG.
>>
>> One has to know "keywords" that should result in a certain
>> format, then ask the system to produce the output and see the
>> result. If it is not as wanted, change and repeat procedure.
>
> Time for a funny story ;-)
>
> I'm admin on two wikis for gardeners and wine growers. When I set
> up those wikis, I showed them a WYSIWYG editor that (back then)
> worked with MediaWiki.
>
> After some testing, the surprising result was that they prefer to
> edit wiki source, and IIRC the reason was because "it's easier".
> Yes, really!
>
> This makes the wish for a WYSIWYG editor for the openSUSE wiki
> (which is edited by people who much more "computer stuff" than a
> typical gardener) somewhat funny ;-)

Understandable :-)

Yet most of us use L.Office Writer ;-)

In the past I used editors that would switch view mode (tokens or
graphic) with a keypress. Both modes are useful. But an online editor
is typically also slow to react.

That said, my preferred tool is LyX.


> If there is really a demand for a WYSIWYG editor, I can of course
> check what's available, if it fits our needs and doesn't get in the
> way of people who prefer to edit wiki source. (From a quick look,
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor might be a good
> candidate.)
>
> However, can we please do this after the wiki migration and update
> is done? I already had some fun with all the extensions we use [1],
> and updating everything to a new version already gives enough
> chances to break something. Therefore I'd prefer not to add another
> extension to the mix to avoid delays ;-)

Yes, of course. I'm not in any hurry either, and I write very few wiki
pages, so don't base decisions on me alone.


>

>
> PS: To avoid another mail about the "Mr./Ms." - well, it depends
> ;-) If you write to someone the first time, using "Mr./Ms." is not
> really bad, and nobody will hate you for that. Maybe that person
> just thinks you are a bit too formal and/or not too familiar with
> the open source community. But if you always used the first name
> and suddenly switch to "Mr./ Ms.", well... ;-)

Oh :-(

Then somebody may be a bit pissed at me for that reason, unbeknown to
me. :-(

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

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